Hillary and the UN

[price g]

In my opinion, this is the front in which we should be most concerned. The so called Arms Trade Treaty Resolution is the tool in which our government is planning to use against Americans who still believe in our Constitution. If the UN passes this resolution in will be up to our Senate to vote it down. The immediate importance of the up coming elections is crucial. We, as law abiding, tax paying Americans have watched our Constitution slowly dissolve before us. It is time to send the message back to Washington. Rant over, move along...

[RobertNashville]

I may be incorrect but I do not believe that the U.N. can unilaterally obligate the U.S. to such an agreement.

Depending on what sort of treaty this would be under U.S. law, it would likely require approval by two-thirds of the Senate or majority approval of both the House and the Senate or, possibly, only approval by the President...I honestly don't know what type of treaty this would be from the perspective of U.S. law. If this sort of treaty would require 66 votes in the senate then I doubt it has any chance of passage...if it only requires a majority vote of the House and Senate than we would have more to worry about but I would still doubt it could pass...if it only takes Obama's signature then we truly do have a problem.

That said, I would agree that it would be best to stop this in the U.N. but I doubt that the U.S., under this administration, is either willing to do so or even has the power to do if it wanted to.

[Tim Nunan]

[RobertNashville]

Perhaps not the "best source" but this is what Wikipedia says about it...

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United States law
Main articles: Treaty Clause and Foreign policy of the United States

In the United States, the term "treaty" has a different, more restricted legal sense than exists in international law. U.S. law distinguishes what it calls treaties from treaty executive agreements, congressional-executive agreements, and sole executive agreements. All four classes are equally treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal American law. The distinctions are primarily concerning their method of ratification. Whereas treaties require advice and consent by two-thirds of the Senate, sole executive agreements may be executed by the President acting alone. Some treaties grant the President the authority to fill in the gaps with executive agreements, rather than additional treaties or protocols. And finally, congressional-executive agreements require majority approval by both the House and the Senate, either before or after the treaty is signed by the President.

Currently, international agreements are executed by executive agreement rather than treaties at a rate of 10:1. Despite the relative ease of executive agreements, the President still often chooses to pursue the formal treaty process over an executive agreement in order to gain congressional support on matters that require the Congress to pass implementing legislation or appropriate funds, and those agreements that impose long-term, complex legal obligations on the U.S.

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With regards to the subject at hand, I suspect it would have to go through the Senate but I don't know "who" classifies what kind of treaty a particular agreement is and, therefore, what ratification process applies.

[Tim Nunan]

[RobertNashville]

[price g]

Obama Takes First Step Banning All Firearms

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Before US citizens even understand what has happened, Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the US) that will lead to new gun control laws, while secretly Sec of State Hillary Clinton commits the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.

This is the process that I was originally concerned with. Hillary has a personal agenda with this.