Drs. and guns

[tdfirearms]

I took my son to his pediatrican yesterday for a regular well child visit. The Dr. was going through all of the typical safety questions such as smoke detectors, bike helmets, and then "is there any guns in the hous?". When it came to that one, I said that "I refuse to answer that one." We have been going to this Dr. for several years. Just so happens, "they are updating their records." This was in Murfreesboro.

[SomeGuy]

We had a long discussion about this on this very forum a year or so ago. I currently am in grad school to become a Family Nurse Practitioner. The pediatrics realm is owned by gun control people, who have no qualms about lowering the healthcare professions into advocates of their agenda. It isn't as perverted as what has happened to Women's health, I feel like I am really taking a Feminist controlled Womyn's studies course.

[Fred762]

Been a doc in pvt practice for 40 years and have heard this carp over and over...it is one reason I refused to belong to the AMA: its leadership seemed to be almost socialistic and surely anti-gun! You must watch what the leadership of any organization believes!!

[Ron W]

I work in healthcare in a mjor medical center. Our nurses are now required to ask questions re: lifestyle (no gun questions--yet) but according to the new healthcare law (Obamacare), these answers are mandated to be entered into a federal database. They are questions which would are ILLEGAL according to the 4th Amendment, but the government is using the medical profession to ask them. This is a fascist system of government and coporate working together for tyranny. Ask them if they are allowing their info to be taken by gov't. Some may not be aware. Exercise your 5th Amendment to not answer.

[SomeGuy]

[Fred762]

Amerikan Akademy of Pediatrics is meeting this month. They have a REAL anti-gun plank to bandy about...get guns out of the house "for the safety of the kids".. What crap...here are the facts YOU can use to ...ahem..shoot down the local (leftist) Pediatricians:

A study [using FBI stats] done as recently as 2009 showed that ACCIDENTAL DEATHS in children under 16 yrs of age were due to these, in percentages:

Auto Accidents...............41%
Suffocations..................21%
Drownings....................15%
Fires............................8%
bicycle accidents.............2%
poisonings.....................2%
falls............................2%
environmental factors.....1.8%
firearms......................1.5%
MEDICAL mistakes............1%

Note please that IF those esteemed pediatric doctors were really "caring about kids and safety", they would be for banning automobiles, plastic bags, pools and lakes, fires, bicycles and anything which can poison a kid...THAT would possibly stop 91% of the accidental deaths!!!! But all they want is to take away YOUR and MY guns. Note also that DOCTORS aparently cause about as many deaths as do guns....maybe we need to ban Pediatricians,huh????????

[MickyFite]

What would be the legality of lying? I know it isn't illegal (yet) to lie to your doctor, but since it's for a Fed. program, would that make a difference?

Note I am not generally a big advocate for lying, but since this would appear to be a backdoor approach to preparing for confiscation in case of a SHTF scenario, would seem to be a potentially valid exception.

[David Lewis]

Micky--

No one in our pediatrician's office bothers to ask those questions...at least not to us, and not any longer.

I think one nurse did, one time, when I was present. She did not like my answer (which was firm but polite),
but she got the message that it was not a health-related issue, and that it was none of her business, nor the
doctor's office. I also discussed it with the Dr; he agreed that they didn't need to be asking those questions, &
he did not.

My primary care physician, on the other hand, we often discuss guns. I was carrying a Glock annual magazine
my last checkup, & we spent about as much time discussing Glocks & other carry guns as we did my health.

My kind of doctor!

David

[MickyFite]

I hear you on that. Mostly just curious if there is any kind of Federal "mandate" etc. If not, I'm sure there will be at some point. Failure to answer will probably not be punished, just add you to a "potential troublemaker" list that will be used to justify seizure.

[Fred762]

[benburke]

Fred, I've tried to google "federal mud form," "federal meaningful useful data form," and a few other combinations but I could not find that federal form. Can you post a copy? Does this federal "mud" form ask any questions related to firearm ownership?

Thanks.

[Fred762]

It's also called a ShareMU Data Short Form

http://www.healthit.gov/buzz-blog/meani ... -measures/

MU being I guess the ache-ronym for meaningful use......................lol

http://www.healthit.gov/policy-research ... ingful-use

You should be able to find it. It is hard to google the dang thing since it keeps sending one to a music sharing area. Oh well...

It seems that somewhere in this system there is a carrot set up by the fed gov to attempt to pass some federal dollars(taken from taxpayers) on to healthcare workers in the form of "incentives" to ..basically..waste more of their time by becomming info-shills for the fedgov.

As yet I have found no mention of 'firearms' in the forms I have seen, tho it wouldn't surprize me to have it added at any time.

[SomeGuy]

[Rt3rfw]

The AMA, and the TN Chapter is a lapdog for obamacare. The TN chapter is not quite as bad as the mother ship, but they still support some whacky things, which is why I belong to AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons). I'm tired of docs wanting your Government Tracking Number, and making you sign a HIPAA form etc. These questions and others are obtrusive. No one is required to sign a HIPAA form by law. It only makes it easier to share your medical info.
Pediatricians tend to be the most socialist of all the docs. And considering that so many kids ore covered by TennCare, this makes things worse

[Tim Nunan]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... n-florida/

In the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict, President Obama and other anti-gun advocates have called for changing Florida’s pro-Second Amendment laws. Their chances of getting the “stand your ground” statute overturned are slim, but the anti-gun groups are making significant progress in the Sunshine State in allowing activist doctors to push their agenda to disarm families.

A federal appeals court heard oral arguments on July 18 in the case that has become known as “Docs vs. Glocks.” The issue before the court is whether a patient’s right to privacy and protection from doctors who ask inappropriate political questions about what firearms are in the family home trumps the health care providers’ rights to ask and to keep records of whatever they want.

The Firearm Owners Privacy Act, which Gov. Rick Scott signed into law in June 2011, says that doctors should not ask families about whether they own guns. But if they choose to do so, and a patient feels the doctor has harassed or discriminated against them, he can file a complaint with the medical board so that the doctor’s peers can decide if the accusation is legitimate.

“The wording in the law is ‘should refrain,’” Florida Solicitor General Allen Winsor told the justices of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, according to The Associated Press. ”It’s not mandating anything. It’s recommending. The use of the term is critical in this case.”

The issue came about after repeated cases surfaced of children being asked by doctors if there was a gun in the home. During the legislative process, one mother said her pediatrician refused to continue treating her child if she did not respond to questions about firearms at home.

A family reported being told that it was “a Medicaid necessity … to answer a firearms question.” Some parents said they were asked to leave the examining room so that the doctor could force their child to inform on them in secret.

The Brady Campaign is leading the plaintiffs — including the Florida chapters of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Family Physicians — in the lawsuit, which claims the law violates doctors’ First Amendments rights to speak freely with their patients. U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke agreed with the freedom of speech claim and granted an injunction and then overturned the law in 2012.

The doctors groups’ justification that they are just providing medical care to parents does not hold water, as the lead plaintiffs in the case are rabidly anti-gun. The American Academy of Pediatrics gives this “advice to parents” on its website: “Do not purchase a gun, especially a handgun. Remove all guns present in the home.” It also instructed those who refuse to obey that they should “always keep the gun unloaded and locked up. Lock and store the bullets in a separate place.”

The National Rifle Association (NRA) helped push the law through the Florida Legislature in 2011. “A doctor’s job is to treat sick children and tell parents how to take care of sick children. They are not home monitors,” Marion Hammer, the NRA’s former president and currently the head of its Florida operation told me in an interview. “Their position that they have to counsel people on how to store firearms or to get rid of firearms because they are not safe is patently absurd.”

A key concern of the state and pro-gun groups is whether the doctors’ records would be shared with insurance companies and the federal government. U.S. Circuit Judge Gerald Tjoflat asked the plaintiffs’ attorney about how a list of gun owners could be used. “It goes to Uncle Sam in Washington. You understand my concern,” the judge said, according to The Associated Press. “You can put it in a computer and spit out everybody who owns a gun.”

The Brady Campaign must have gotten scared that point would influence the three-judge panel, because it filed a document with the court on Friday that insisted that “any concern that the federal government will use patient records to compile a gun registry is unsupported and does not constitute a compelling interest.” As if a rabidly anti-gun group can make a credible statement like that on behalf of the government.

The Florida law should be a model for the nation on keeping doctors in check when it comes to the privacy of parents to safely and responsibly keep arms in their homes. The appeals court ought to overturn the lower court’s decision and give the Sunshine State the ability to shine the light on what is going on in the secrecy of doctors’ offices.

[Fred762]

Like I've said for many years: IF a doc [or anyone else] wants to "save the cheeldrin" all they have to do is help STOP ABORTIONS..wh kill 1.5 millions of babies every YEAR...far far more even than cars and poisonings........but hardly anyone cares.
IF you are an anti-gunner, then you must have the intellectual honesty to live what you preach: put this sign in your front yard: "GUN-FREE HOME" Ever see a sign like that? Nope!