Help Change TVA Policy

[n24wheel]

I have been working with TVA on changing their policy for permit holders. Presently you can carry on TVA "undeveloped" land but cannot carry on "developed" Land (but you can have firearms for the legal purpose of hunting). "Undeveloped" land is places that have had no work done to them (If it has a gravel parking lot it is unclear if it is "undeveloped. Developed land are lands like boat docks, campgrounds, etc. TVA has recognized the need to change their "unpublished" policy. The penality for being on these areas is 1.confiscation of the firearm 2. confiscation of your vehicle, boat, camper, etc. 3. Fine 4. Possible jail time

Please take the attachments to your local gun store, club, etc. and mail them back to me the first Friday in October. I will then take all the petitions to the TVA lawyer I have been speaking with. Hopefully we can get the policy changed to allow us on TVA recreational lands/waterways where the pubilc is allowed.

Thanks in advance to anyone that will help distribute and mail back to me the petition.

I'm having troube uploading the petition so I will try in the next post

David

[n24wheel]

I can't get the attachment to work so I will e-mail it to someone to upload it to this forum.

[lilredhunter]

David if you will shoot it to me I will see what I can do.

[n24wheel]

Sorry it took so long to get back. For some reason the forum would not let me log in for the past several days. I tried to get others to e-mail you the files to upload to the forum. If you have not gotten them e-mail me at n24wheel@comcast.net and I will send them to you to post.

It gives me "The extension doc is not allowed." and "The extension xls is not allowed." so I cannot post the petition. My profile says I can add attachments for for some reason it will not let me.

[lilredhunter]

Ok I found the problem. The board is not friendly to Doc files & excel files , they do not play well together at all. Have prob under conrol.

[n24wheel]

Here is the Petition. Sorry I can't post the file. Anyone that will please put the below in an excel file and take them to your local gun store, club, etc.
On Oct. 8 2010 pick the petitions up and mail them to:
Petition
5512 Ashbrook Lane
Maryville, TN 37801


We, the undersigned, respectfully ask the Tennessee Valley Authority
to change their firearm rule to make an exception of Handgun permit holders.
We want TVA to recognize a recent Supreme Court decision that stated
the Second amendment is an Individual Right. We ask TVA to honor this Right
on TVA lands/waterways, both developed and undeveloped, where the public is allowed.
We look forward to your response in correcting this outdated rule and policy.

Name: Address: Phone:

[n24wheel]

Here is the cover sheet for the petition sorry I could not post it in the Word Document:


ATTN: Handgun Permit Holders and Boaters
Please help us fix a rule of TVA by signing this Petition. TVA allows permit holders on their “undeveloped lands” but do not allow Permit holders on “Developed” lands. Lands where no work has been done is “undeveloped” but it is not clear. If the land has a gravel parking area this could be “developed” Boat Docks, Campgrounds, etc. are considered “developed” You ARE allowed to have hunting firearms in these areas, but if you have a firearm pertaining to your carry permit your gun WILL BE CONFISCATED, they can also take your vehicle, boat, camper, etc. They may also arrest you for “intent to go armed and/or criminal trespass”, give you a fine, loose your permit forever, and take you to jail just because of a “internal unpublished rule” TVA has under the 1933 TVA Act. Under this Act TVA can make a simple rule to override any state law. TVA is now considering changing it’s policy to allow Permit holders on lands where the public is allowed. We are asking the policy be changed to reflect the National Park Service Policy. That is the purpose of this petition
TVA’s PRESENT POLICY
Possession of firearms for lawful purposes generally is allowed on undeveloped TVA recreation land. Possession of firearms generally is not allowed on developed TVA property such as TVA dam reservations, campgrounds, picnic pavilions, day use areas, and boat ramps, except that firearms usually may be possessed at TVA campgrounds and boat ramps if the possession is associated with an in-season hunting excursion and the firearms are unloaded and properly cased. In specific situations, TVA land may be posted with signs about whether possession of firearms is allowed.

TVA has established these policies in accordance with its authority under the TVA Act to manage the land under its custody and control.
There are no published regulations on the subject. Rather, TVA implements these policies through internal TVA management guidelines and appropriate signage. TVA likely would consider it to be a trespass if someone were to carry a firearm on TVA property in violation of a posted TVA sign or contrary to direction from a TVA Police Officer or land manager.

Mark Hastings
Senior Attorney
Just note that some places like boat docks will have a TWRA sign but it is still TVA property where TVA may not have a sign. You can be arrested in these areas.
This petition is to clear up this problem by asking TVA to change this rule by allowing Permit Holders to be an exemption to the rule by allowing Permit Holders on TVA recreational lands anywhere the general public is allowed.
Please return this petition to me by October 9th so I can present it to TVA. Please mail it to:
Petition
5512 Ashbrook Lane
Maryville, TN 37801
Questions e-mail me at: n24wheel@comcast.net

[fl0at]

Did you try converting it to a PDF and posting it?

http://www.expresspdf.com/

[n24wheel]

No I did not try .pdf but I did get this from John.

Also, I looked through the admin pages and although uploads are generally allowed, by default attachments are not allowed on private messages. Also uploads disallowed numerous document extensions, such as DOC, XLS, PDF, etc. - not sure why. I have turned it on and will monitor to see if it creates a problem

john

[David Lewis]

Hey, David--

Don't feel too bad...I'm an Admin, & it didn't work for me, either! Glad John finally found the button in the software!

David

[fl0at]

I could see why .doc and .xls would be set to be banned, malicious code can be added via macros (VisualBasic allowed in Microsoft documents, Python and VB clone in OpenOffice), though the end user would have to enable the macros in order to run the code.

But, until I just did a quick Google search, I had no idea about malicious PDF files.

So, I've learned (3) things here today:
1. PDFs weren't allowed, so that was a bad suggestion
2. PDFs can contain malicious code
3. I can get a baton/asp permit!

Thanks David and David, I have gained knowledge today.

And I have derailed this thread, so... back to the original goal, circulate the petition!

[lilredhunter]

I tried everything but that. I had no luck at it. I guess I have forgotten more than I thought about doing things with computers.

[n24wheel]

Reminder. This weekend is the deadline on the petition. Please mail them to me on Oct. 10 and that will get them to me by mid week.

[n24wheel]

I"ll be going to TVA this friday with the petition to change the firearm policy.
You can help by e-mailing TVA at: tvainfo@tva.com asking them to change their outdated firearm policy by adding "except for permit holders" and to adopt a policy simular to the National Park Service policy.

This is very important: Also include these 2 items at the last of your e-mail with your address: "I look foward to your response" and "please enter my comments in the public record"

[n24wheel]

Here is the latest update. So far no change. I will be talking with some policy makers soon.

Mr. Borum:

To date, there has been no decision on the handgun issue. I know that TVA is currently reviewing the issue to determine if current policy needs to maintained or changed. As soon as I know more details, I will get back with you.

Sounds like a pretty good season so far! I’ve heard that from others too.

Thanks, Mike

From: David
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:33 PM
To: Subject: TVA Firearm Policy

Mr.
I hope you had a good Thanksgiving. I have had a pretty good deer season so far with 3 deer and 2 coyotes. I just wanted to touch base with you to see if there have been any developments on the issue we discussed on allowing handgun permit holders on TVA lands open to the public. If we need to meet again or if I need to meet with anyone for clarify anything please let me know.

Thanks
David

[n24wheel]

We finally have good news. TVA will be releasing a NEW policy on firearms and carry on TVA lands. This I'm told should be written in 30 days so hopefully we will have it by Mid June. As soon as it is availible I will post the new rule. I have not seen it but if they go by the information and presentations I did for them it should be good. We will see.

[n24wheel]

More news on this issue. WE now have legislation at the federal level to help fix this problem on all Corp of Engineer lands and waterways.

Please write your House and Senate member in Washington and ask them to sign on as co-sponsors and support HR 1865



Congressman Bob Gibbs Introduces The Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act
Seeks to close loophole limiting second amendment rights on over 7.6 million acres of federal land
May 12, 2011 Issues: Congressional Issues, Defense and National Security, Transportation
Congressman Bob Gibbs Introduces The Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, Congressman Bob Gibbs (R-OH) introduced HR 1865, the Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act.

“Today, I am proud to introduce HR 1865, the Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act and continue my commitment to preserve the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution,” said Congressman Gibbs. “HR 1865 would protect law-abiding individuals’ civil right to bear arms on lands owned by the Army Corps of Engineers.”

After an overwhelming bipartisan majority of lawmakers passed legislation allowing citizens to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms on National Park and National Wildlife Service lands, the lands owned and operated by the Army Corps of Engineers were not addressed.

“The Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act is a bipartisan effort that seeks to correct this oversight and restore Second Amendment rights to law-abiding citizens while they are legally camping, hunting, and fishing on the 11.7 million acres of Army Corps recreational property,” said Gibbs. “As we enter the summer season, families and sportsmen taking advantage of this federal land should not have to worry that their legally-obtained concealed weapon permit is invalid.”

“According to some estimates, the federal government owns 30% of all land across this country. This bill will take us one-step closer toward having a consistent firearms policy across all federal lands. The 4 million members of the NRA along with tens of millions of hunters and gun owners would like to thank Congressmen Gibbs and Altmire for their leadership in seeking a common-sense bi-partisan remedy to this problem,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director for the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action.

Gibbs continued, "I would like to thank my colleague on the other side of the aisle, Congressman Jason Altmire, for joining me to push for this legislation. The Second Amendment is not a partisan issue; it is an issue of safety for all of our constituents.”

[n24wheel]

Following is the official letter released at the writing of the above bill:

The file is attached in pdf.

[n24wheel]

IF the above link does not work you can find the letter here: (copy and paste link to browser)
David

http://gibbs.house.gov/sites/gibbs.hous ... %20Act.pdf

[Kimber45]

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