Leonard Embody (Kwikrnu): Permit revoked

[Dan Lee]

I don't think I can say much more than I have to you Robert, because your head is quite impervious to facts sometimes... It's been said that those who possess certain flaws often feel comfortable projecting those very flaws on others..

Mike, we will have to agree to disagree on this.. I'm sure you have good intentions. I just believe that just like paying Mobsters to testify against other mobsters, giving them media coverage, & letting them off the hook for testifying has made them famous, & folk lore heroes among the boys in the hood, giving the Feds any more credibility on anything is like feeding a damned monster right before it eats you..

I disagree with it, & I likely always will.. My opinion is that most letter agencies should be abolished, & have no authority over US citizens whatsoever.. They are dangerous, & out of control as it is..

I haven't forgot Waco, & I haven't forgot Ruby Ridge, & I will not forget the false raids on Law Abiding citizens.. So no, I don't want them touching my 5 year old under any circumstances.. I'll trust God to find him/her with the wisdom & assistance of private agencies like Texas Equusearch, or the like.. I am not yet one who has been fooled into thinking that the Federal Government has a crystal ball, or some kind of magical ability to find missing children.. I don't think you are either Mike.. I do think you might be a little too angry at Embody, & that you might be missing that with or without his antics present, we need not make apologies for our second amendment rights, or HIS actions.

[RobertNashville]

[RobertNashville]

[tnxdshooter]

The point I was getting at is that someone has to be the scape goat for the HCP holders as someone has to be the scape goat in any group. Mr. Embody is our scape goat.

[Dan Lee]

Oh right Robert, but calling me outrageous & ridiculous isn't insulting? You're being a hypocrite.. (AGAIN)..

Robert Wrote: "Putting your outrageous and ridiculous hyperbole aside, convicting My. Embody of something he hasn't done is not what is being suggested here.."'

The fact is you're not what you pretend to be, & everyone knows it.. So you follow me around, & try to antagonize me in almost every thread I participate in, & everyone knows it.. So just know that I know what you're really about, & so do many others. & Yes, your head does (at times) in fact seem to be impervious to facts.. If I can't say the truth here, then I don't want to post here, or be a TFA member anymore.. You can go cry to the moderators now Robert.. (Again) You're like a grade schooler, who can't handle your own issues.. Do you know how to use PM? It would have been a little more adult to at least PM me directly.. Sheesh... What am I saying.. I'm asking too much from you clearly.

[Dan Lee]

[TacticaLogic]

Put as plainly as I know how to put it: I apologize for nothing - and that includes all rights given to me by God and recognized by the authors of the Constitution. Having said that, I will fight for those rights using any and all tools available to me, including a law (be it federal, state, or local) that eliminates any obstructions or complications. You have to think outside of the box... If you limit yourself to "I won't use anything connected to the federal government" strictly out of principal, you have already "hamstrung" yourself because at this point the federal government is so large as to already have you cornered. A smart warrior uses all tools available to him to reach his goal, adjusting to conditions as he goes. When he reaches his goal, any tools that he had to use in getting there can be discarded, improved upon, or maintained. The same principal applies if we are talking about military hardware or written laws... You use what you have.

At no time have I stated that Embody should be arrested for a law that doesn't exist, or should be convicted without a trial. My only statement was that if he has broken a law, it would serve our cause well for him to be removed from the spotlight by his being convicted.

For anyone that says, "Well Mike believes in the old 'ends justifies the means' methodology that has been used by the communists for so long' - think again, because I am talking about the ends being FREEDOM! The question to ask is "How long would we be able to maintain a law allowing HCPs if everyone with a HCP acted as has Embody?" The answer would be "Not long." The Constituton, the 2nd Amendment... None of that would matter at this point, and may still not matter after the McDonald v Chicago case is adjudicated, because right now the state gets to set the rules. (Not that I agree with it, but it IS reality.) If every HCP holder did do what Embody has been doing, the general public would be ringing the phones off of the hook up in Nashville, telling the members of the G.A. that "they had better get this fixed." It wouldn't matter if everything everyone of us did was legal. Why? As I was once told: a person's perception IS their reality. If we want to maintain our HCP laws, and improve upon them, we have to make sure that the general public's perception of us is one of "they are a responsible group of people", not "they are a bunch of cowboys that need to be reined in."

If using an existing (and at this point purely hypothetical since we do not know of its existance) law (be it local, state, or federal) to get a self-serving "everybody else's rights be damned - all I want to do is get someone to violate mine so I can sue the hell out of someone" person out of the spotlight gets the job done, so be it. He is hurting the cause. I'm not angry at Embody personally - never met him... I don't like his (legal though they may be) actions because they hurt our cause. But, as I have said numerous times, we have to make sure that our dislike of big government doesn't cloud our vision regarding people such as Embody. If you want to deny any recognition to the beast that is big government, that is fine - but to argue that federal government at any size is 100% useless, dangerous, and should be abolished is, in my opinion, absurd. Just as the founding fathers would never have agreed to a federal government the size of what we now have, the complete elimination of federal government is not what the founding fathers had in mind either... It would be the pendulum swung too far in the opposite direction from its current path. Government should exist to do the things that private industry can't, shouldn't or won't do... But it is needed. Without any government we have... anarchy. With too much government we have tyranny. I'm not a fan of either, so I vote for controlled government that truly understands the concept of "my job is always 'only temporary', and my bosses can end my job anytime they please."

Mike, out.

[RobertNashville]

[RobertNashville]

[Dan Lee]

Ok, so you have no proof.. At least you admit it.. I'm done with this discussion now..

[RobertNashville]

[Dan Lee]

Under your thinking, anyone who protests could go to jail.. Anyone who open carries as a protest would be "a danger" as well.. How about the black guy who carried his AR-15 on his back to the Obama rally, along with a side arm? Was he/is he a danger to society Robert? In all the video I saw, Embody complied with all LEGAL police orders.. Did you see something different? Please give me a link to it if you did.

Here's a videolog of it.. Tell me if you think he should have his right to carry removed too..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA

[RobertNashville]

[Dan Lee]

Robert, I was done with this, but I changed my mind.. In the America that my ancestors fought & died for, you are allowed to do that...

But now I am really done with it.. Because you've admitted that Embody broke no laws, & that is why his permit should be restored in my opinion.

Lastly, where I'll be on ANY day doesn't prove or disprove whatever you're trying to insinuate about me with that silly question.. But anyway, I feel confident that I've made an excellent case against Fascist thinking here, & I'll let the readers decide based on the answers in your last post, who is right or wrong.. I will say though that Police showing restraint in the Embody situations isn't "Luck", it's the right thing for them to do under the spirit of the law in a free country ,it's their duty to do so, & it's how they are trained to react, so that someone innocent does not get hurt.

I agree (once again) that the spirit in which Embody has done his "protests" are inappropriate, & possibly even immoral, but legislating morality is a dangerous road to go down. Mind policing is too...

Until he breaks a law, the law has no business with him, period.. I've already stated my feelings about open carry on another thread, so I won't go over that again.. Open carry for a necessary protest, when it is legal, is not in my opinion always the wrong thing to do.. Sometimes a message DOES need to be sent to the so called "authorities" in society.. You can respond again if you want, & have the last word, but I'm done with this discussion BETWEEN US for sure this time.. Godspeed at your protest.

[RobertNashville]

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