News report on what new resturant carry might look like...

[ProguninTN]

[Fencer]

Go for broke, as Mike says, take the "Nuclear Option".

Dennis Wood

[TacticaLogic]

[C. Richard Archie]

We go for the exemption, and if the Legislators do not chose to follow the Constitution, we need new Legislators. That is the simple part!

[macville]

Okay, so here is the response from Doug Jackson:

I agree with you. If I had my way, permit holders could carry anywhere. Law abiding citizens should not even have to obtain a permit in order to carry but that is not politically possible.

Now, can you and John clear the committee hurdles, get 50 votes in the house and 17 in the senate, then override a veto? Understand that there are political considerations to achieving progress for gun owners. I have 24 years of experience in the legislature. What I am proposing is the most prudent way to proceed, in my judgement.

Do you want to give up carry in restaurants with liquor licenses just because beer only establishments are not included? Beer taverns and honky tonks will be a hard sell to some members who have supported restaurant carry. It gives our opponents a powerful argument to defeat us.

Doug Jackson

I am going to email him back asking for a list of Reps and Senators who voted for the original law, but who he doesn't think would vote for the law as John has suggested.

Matthew

[macville]

Here's my letter back to Senator Jackson and his reply:

Senator Jackson, thank you for taking the time to write me back. I truly appreciate your effort in getting the original law passed, and what you are doing to try and get the law reinstated.

What exactly do you think will come up in the committee that will be a concern for blocking unrestricted carry? Do you have, or be willing to write up a list of people who voted for the original restaurant law but who you think wouldn't vote for an all encompassing carry law? If you don't feel like that wise for you to do, I totally understand, just let me know and I will contact each person who voted for the law and ask them personally if they would vote for such a clear law. I know that the talk at tngunowners.com and tfaonline.org has been that every rep & senator who has been asked about such a law said they would support it as written. So you might be surprised at the support you might get for such a law.

I understand what you are trying to do with the law, but I, and every single person I've talked to, think if it's written as you described in the report, it will be even more confusing than before. Therefore, because it seems to be more confusing, it has great chance struck down just like the old law. Just for kicks and giggles I looked up the Knoxville Civic Center the other night before I went to a hockey game to see if carry would be allowed to carry there if your bill got passed. It took me quite a while to find liquor licenses on the state website (that would have to be fixed), but low and behold, it seems like it would be legal to carry there because they operate under a liquor license--even though they only sell beer at the games. To me, that's pretty confusing considering what you said. Now granted, I haven't see the wording of what you are proposing, so that technically may not be covered, but right now at face value it seems very confusing. But I think that's why people are riled up about. Both our Federal gov along with our State gov are shrouded in secrecy and confusion. To be honest, I think if you actually released the wording you are proposing, you might actually help us get a ground campaign going to get a truly "clean" law ultimately passed.

The mood among all the other permit holders I've talked to right now is go for broke. We feel that almost all the dems and repubs who voted for the original law can be talked into voting for such a law if it will get up for a vote. But again, as I said above, we need to know exactly what the concerns are in committee so we can hammer away on those point.


Mathew

Civic centers and sports arenas are issued liquor licenses under a separate statutory provision and are not covered by the proposed bill or the previous restaurant carry law.

Issues and concerns of many members and the public are numerous and obvious. I advised John Harris to discuss it with Speakers Ramsey and Williams.

Unrestricted carry would be an unattainable political goal at this time.......but then again, what do I know?

So while I firmly believe that Jackson would vote for a clean bill if another rep/senator brought it up, he's not going to introduce it sadly enough.

What's funny is there was almost a 20% margin in both the house and the senate over what was needed to pass the law. Do we think 20% of the people who voted for the law before wouldn't if it allowed unrestricted carry for where alcohol is served?

I guess it's time to get active and ask each rep/senator who voted for the law before how they would stand on a clean bill.

Matthew

[Usagi]

[C. Richard Archie]

I am concerned that I am getting no response from my Legislators. I truly feel that if there was a real push by the citizens to let them know that we were serious about not accepting the boot across our necks, there would be a difference in the metric. As it is, what I am seeing is a stronger push to limit Constitutional Rights on the Federal. State and Local level. I am afraid that the success of the Federal Government to force their desire to redistribute wealth, and to show that a core of a few people with power can effectively limit freedom for everyone is reaping a change in the desire to shove the Republic at large, and our States in specific, in the direction of a Politburo in command. If there is no huge outcry, the bullies that are bribing our servants to do their bidding will assume that the general populace is either accepting, or too afraid to speak out.

When the EPA threatens the Congress to legislate the way the Administration wants under the stick of regulation, what hope is there?

Every person needs to personally contact their State Representatives and Senators with regard to this issue now, and then climb up on the soapbox with their relatives, friends, church members and community.

[SomeGuy]

Usagi pretty much nailed what I was going to suggest. Leave it illegal to carry without a permit. Then, remove every single restriction in the books regarding carrying with a permit. Leave them nothing. It will pretty much deal with any confusion regarding the laws. Even a left-wing chancellor who has ties to Bredeson won't have a hard time understanding it.

As for TGO John, I remember rallying them last year, most of them are a case study on "beaten into submission and being afraid to fight" at best. At worst, they are paid turncoats whose sole purpose is to sow division amongst us.

[johnharris]