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Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:43 pm

I posted this in two areas, because it seemed relevant to both. Please moderate as you see fit gentleman.

Yes, you read that headline right.. A couple of days ago I was called out of the blue by a Dell Corporation employee from Global Recruiting Services - Talent Acquisition Dell Perot Systems™
I had not applied to Dell for the position that was presented to me. The caller, asked me if I'd be interested in a Technical Support Position that would require me to support U.S. Military personal with computer problems or questions. Having been recently laid off, & having once been a Certified Dell Technician, I was naturally interested in the job, because it fit my prior experience & skill set very well.

The caller who was a very polite young lady agreed that my skill set was compatible with Dell's needs, & asked me if I thought I would be eligible for a Government Security Clearance. I responded to her that; "Having passed background checks to to obtain a Tennessee firearms carry permit, an armed security license for the state of Tennessee, having credentials as an NRA Pistol Shooting & Safety Instructor, as well as working for several colleges & passing stringent back ground checks required by educational institutions, I don't think I'd have any problem getting the clearance." In the last few years, I have been background checked well over a dozen times at the state & federal level. (Knowing my background, this may have been a good time for the interviewer to inform me of any anti-gun policies that Dell Computers has, or any restrictions on carrying a firearm on their property. No such warning or information was provided by the interviewer however.)

With that, she responded, "Perfect, would you like to come in for an interview?" I responded that I would. She then asked about availability & start dates, & we set up the interview for the Nashville Location of Dell Corporation. Last night, the night before the interview, I took a quick look on the internet to see if I could find any reason why I would not be able to bring my firearm on the property. I could find none. What I did find was that Dell had refused to sell a computer to a gentleman who owns a company called Weigand Combat Handguns, Inc., because the Dell computer system flagged the company's name as a potential terror threat. That story can be found here: http://www.yauponcreek.org/Dell.html & the NRA addressed it here: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Feder ... spx?id=277

On the NRA page, the link to Micheal Dell's statement on the issue was unfortunately broken, so I decided I would just give them the benefit of the doubt, & go to the interview like I go almost everywhere else, carrying my Keltec P3AT .380 caliber pocket pistol, for my protection. I do not ever leave my house without my firearm. As most of you know, its much like a seat belt or a bullet proof vest. Murphy's Law applies here. The one time you don't wear it,or carry it with you, is the day you crash, or get shot, respectively.

After approximately a 50 minute drive I arrived at the entrance of the Dell Facility, & I saw no signs that indicated that I could not proceed to the visitor's parking lot of the Dell Facility, so I drove in about 1/4 mile, & I pulled into a space, & proceeded to the front door. That is where I encountered the first sign of anti-gun sentiment, in the form of a sign on the door that had a picture of a gun, with a slash through it. Under the sign it said "No weapons were allowed on the property." (Note also that they could put a slash through a picture of a knife, but guns are evidently the real target of the policy.)

Seeing as how I had driven so far, & that I was already well onto the property before I encountered this sign, & decided to go in & ask for a clearer explanation. The sign incidentally was not a legal posting, which is why I went in to ask questions.

I approached the security person at the front desk, & informed her that I was there for an interview, but had a problem, because the sign said that I was not allowed to be there with my concealed firearm. At no time was my firearm made visible to anyone at Dell. She asked me if I was a Police Officer, & I responded no, but I have an armed security license from the State of Tennessee. She responded "No", presumably indicating that this was not a sufficient credential to carry a weapon on the property. I told her I was a little confused about the fact that I was called to come for an interview, but never told that I could not carry a concealed firearm. She told me that I could wait outside, & she would call the person I was supposed to interview with. I gave her his name, & she quickly realized I needed to go to another building to find him, so she directed me to that building (unescorted), which seemed to me like a major inconsistency in their policy. I was however thankful that they didn't embarrass me with a security escort, or rain down the hellfire of the Nashville Metro Police on me by calling 911 about a man with a gun. For that much I give them credit.

So I walked about 200 Yards across the parking lot to the building that the first security woman directed me to. In the mean time after I had walked away, (as you'll see later) she called ahead to inform the other security person that I was coming, & had a weapon in my possession. I was buzzed in at the door, & approached the Dell security person at that front desk. I told him I was there for an interview & who I was there to see, to which he responded in a bit of a quick & urgent succession; "Did you go across the street?" My response: "I did." Dell Security Guard: "Are you the security guard?" Me: "Yes Sir", Dell Security Guard: "Do you have a weapon on your Sir?" Me: "Yes I do." Dell Security Guard: "Before you can go up for the interview, I'll have to talk to my supervisor." He then called his supervisor, who informed him that I would have to put my weapon out in my vehicle. I then asked him what the policy is on firearms for employees. He informed me that, "No weapons are allowed on Dell property, unless you are an armed security person hired by Dell for a specific purpose." (I've left out the specifics in the last sentence only to protect armed security vendors servicing the site.)

I asked him if Dell provided armed security for their employees on site, & he responded "No, we don't have armed security." He said then said, "but if you leave, I'll just take your name and let him know you were here." (I definitely got the impression that they wanted nothing to do with me at this point.)

I then left him my name & asked him to let the interviewer know I didn't stand him up, but decided to forgo the interview under the circumstances. I then told him to have a great day, & he reciprocated politely. I want to make clear that at no time was any Dell employee rude to me, or condescending in any way. They were clearly just following the rules that were set forth for them by their superiors. All employees involved in my encounter acted professionally.

However, there were some serious inconsistencies in their policy. If firearms were not allowed on the property at all, why was I told to put it in the car just for the interview, but told I would never be able to bring my gun to work if I was hired?

The other issues of course are two fold. One is the irony of them calling me to interview for a tech support job supporting U.S. military clients, & then asking me to disarm, or leave their building.
The other irony is one that You readers could not have extracted from this account unless I told you, & that is that I am posting this from my Dell brand PC at home. Suffice to say that this PC will not be replaced with another Dell, because I cannot support a company who does not support my Constitutional rights, no matter what their Public Relations people have been trying to tell us. Today was proof of that.

The account I have given you is for all intents & purposes verbatim, & leaves out no significant details of what happened on this day in the afternoon of Thursday, December 3rd. 2009, during my attempt to attend a job interview that I was invited to by Dell Computers Corp. It would seem that after the terrorist attack that happened at Fort Hood recently, these corporate executives would have enough concern to allow employees to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, & protect themselves from mass shootings. I believe that my encounter proves that political correctness in our country & our corporations is out of control, & has overshadowed common sense to the point where people like myself who are out of work, are being asked to choose between our Constitutional rights, & employment. This is of course very UN-American, & VERY WRONG. It cost me a half of tank of gas to drive to this interview, & it would have been all for nothing be it not for the fact that I can still (for now) have the first amendment right to tell my story. That is of course unless we let all the anti-gun zealots take our second amendment rights away, at which point they will be telling us which constitutional rights they will allow us to retain.

In closing I'd like to say that I really could have used this income & this opportunity, because I have bills to pay like everyone else, & unemployment payments don't quite cut it. But if I have to choose between the right protect myself under the second amendment, & not be killed in another shooting rampage by a criminal or a terrorist, & not having to eat a lot of macaroni & cheese for a couple more months, well then pass me the Mac n' Cheese please. What if the day of my interview, was the day that the guy I replaced (for hypothetical instance) decided to come back & get revenge for being fired, or laid off?

In closing, I want to say that I have never in my 41 years been on the wrong side of the law other than minor traffic violations, so I have trouble understanding this thinking, & discrimination against me just because I carry a firearm for protection. Perhaps Michael Dell, & the shareholders at Dell could explain it to me one day. Meanwhile, it is my duty to expose this hypocrisy for what it is. Our military spent tax payer money on Dell computers. Our military is sworn to uphold the WHOLE Constitution of the United States, yet the people they are spending our tax money with, are trampling all over it. It's wrong on so many levels I could write a book about it. In fact, I just may.

Thank You Sincerely for reading my account, & if you have any questions,feel free to message me.

Dan Lee Leveillee

P.S. The specific names of the employees I encountered were left out, out of respect of their privacy. If Dell Corp. ever denies the truth or accuracy of my account, I have those names, & documented proof of the encounter available for their scrutiny, & public examination.

Update:
It seems that Mr. Dell spends about a Million bucks year on his & his family's personal security.. Paid for by Dell. Go Figure.. Think those guys are walking around with squirt guns? :roll:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8981
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby benburke » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:24 pm

I bought one Dell computer7 years ago, and I will never, NEVER, buy another Dell computer ever again! My reason has nothing to do with my gun rights, but suffice it to say Michael Dell is very rich, but runs a very deceitful, crooked company. Whenever anyone asks my opinion about purchasing a computer, I warn them strongly to stay away from Dell. I do recommend Toshiba and Asus, and these two companies were recently honored with having the most reliable laptops currently on the market.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:31 pm

I'm insulted because I have my doubts that Michael Dell himself NEVER has a gun around him for protection, or armed security personnel in his presence for that purpose. It kind of makes me feel like they think safety is only for the rich, or for politicians.. It might have been different if they at least told me that I would have qualified armed security protecting me as a Dell employee at the Nashville site. They told me they provide NONE, on top of disarming their employees. They seem to have created another Fort Hood style "kill zone." Meanwhile law abiding citizens like me, are told to go home & stay out.. :roll:
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Lemonhead » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:10 pm

I don't know of any corporations that will let you carry a firearm at work. I respect you following your principles, but I would have:
1) Left the gun in my vehicle or
2) Kept my mouth shut.

Seeing as how I never saw a metal detector when I worked at Dell I would have opted for option 2. I worked as a temp for Spherion doing home sales, they are pretty harsh. You work in teams under a supervisor. At one point they took half our team in one room and the other half in another where they let us know that the other half of our team had all just been fired. As the temp to hire contract ran out very few sales reps actually got converted to full time, maybe two out of the original thirty.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:24 pm

Hi Lemonhead,
Of course I respect your choice to handle it however you have decided to. You may have missed in my account, that leaving your gun in your car if you get hired is not an option at this Dell location. The policy as explained to me, was NO WEAPONS on Dell property. So if I got hired, I was going to be effectively disarmed even on my drive to & from work, & though the "rough side" of Nashville. What I have in my car legally, is certainly nobody's business but mine. Yet they are now reaching into our personal property & telling us what to do with it, as well as endangering our safety.

Staying quiet about this is part of how we got to this level of insane political correctness in America. Also, if you were to get sick or injured at work & God forbid pass out, your gun would likely be found on you, & you would be fired. Oh, & if they actually post their signs correctly, you could be jailed & fined when you get out of the hospital? Why should law abiding citizens be put under that kind of pressure? The main object of me telling this story at this point, is so that Dell will be forced to be honest. They are anti-gun. They just need to admit that they won't allow their employees to protect themselves, (not even going to & from work) & at the same time won't provide armed guards to protect their employees against shooting rampages. That's the truth.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby 1gewehr » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:55 pm

FYI, the policy that Dell has is also the one held by almost every one of the Fortune 500 companies. Sadly, they believe that if they have a shooting incident on their property that they would be at risk in a lawsuit. I have told my wife that if I am EVER injured in a shooting where carry is forbidden, she should sue the SNOT out of the company!!

If you think Dell is bad, you should look up the policies of Apple!!
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby kwikrnu » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:27 pm

Most large companies have no weapons policies which cover all of there property. I've worked for Yellow Freight, UPS, and Gap. They all had me sign papers stating that it was against their policy. I'm usually against telling a property owner what they can and can't do on their own property (especially inside buildings), but the push for laws prohibiting property owners from banning weapons in privately owned cars in parking lots has me switching sides.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:51 pm

Yes, I too am against telling them what they can do on their own property. That is why I asked them if they provided armed security for their employees, & what would happen if I was hired. Could I leave my firearm in my vehicle?

The answer was NO & NO.

That means I would be exposed to Carjacking, Robbery ect.. From the time I left my home 3 townships & 37 miles away. That means they are also for all practical purposes disarming you for Gas stops, Coffee stops, ATM stops, & all the things people normally do on the way to the work. THAT is discrimination as far as I'm concerned.

If they provided protection by professional armed security, & allowed you to leave your gun in YOUR own car, then I would be fine with it. But that's not what they are doing. They are trampling on people's personal rights. I mean they let you drive the 2 ton weapon onto your property, but you can't leave a gun in it? That is fascism in America my friends. It's time to stand up against it.

1gewehr, do tell us about Apple's policy.. I begrudgingly buy some of their equipment because It serves my purposes, but I may need to rethink that too..
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:14 pm

Here's another interesting question to ponder. Since Michael Dell is known to travel with Armed Security at times, & I am licensed by the State of Tennessee to do Armed Security, why won't they let ME be MY OWN armed security? I mean is it a class thing? Do you have to make a certain dollar amount before you are worth being protected from crime, or even worse, allowed to protect yourself?

If anyone needs an armed security guard, I'm available! I'll be making less money, but at least I'll retain my 2nd amendment rights.. Dell? Need a guard for that Nashville facility that could actually possibly help stop a rampaging shooter? Give me a call.. I don't hold grudges very well. Just do the right thing..
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby 1gewehr » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:36 am

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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby lilredhunter » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:44 am

Dan your story is enough for me not to buy Dell products to replace 3 current laptops. I also will not own another Dell desktop. This is a good reason to buy a new brand if one comes along or some other brand.

Dan Sorry to hear of this experience.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby backwoodsman » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:29 pm

I helped build both of their facilities, lebanon and nashville, and the great wages they promised their workers, was, well,,,, a huge lie, their parts were from, well, everywhere but America, they held their workers to tight breaks,not enough they were underpaid, so, cheap parts, cheap wages and premium price's , I never bought their products. don't buy sony either, I spent a fortune on my laptop and it will not support windows 7 or any other windows OS, they do not give permission to third parties to build compatibility drivers, yet they will not build them their selves, they simply informed me to keep using it as is,,,,, as for supporting troops it seems our government and big business is on the same page, they hire out security for military bases leaving the very troops that will be put in harms way, defenseless on our own soil. that is despicable! rise up. I do not buy G.E. either for their despicable business practices and the fact they seem to own congress.Mc Donalds aftering airing an all spanish commercial and me emailing them, informed me they didn't care that this was America, it was their money and would spend it as they see fit. I informed them that my money was the same to me and that they would no longer get any of it.I never heard back from them. keep up the good fight
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby RobertNashville » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:57 pm

I can understand why you feel the way you do.

However, Dell’s attitude is hardly unusual…in fact, I would submit that it is the “norm”; as irritating as they is.

I would also suggest that while the personal views of a company’s leadership/ownership with regards to firearms may play a part if the flat “no firearms on company property” mandate, I suspect it has more to do with reaching the lowest common denominator…it’s simply easier to not allow firearms at all than to deal with potential problems that could come if they allow permit holders to carry on company property. Regardless of how likely or unlikely such problems occurring might be.

I will likely be buying a new laptop soon…at least up until now, Dell has been a favorite of mine but I may have to re-think that.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:47 pm

The Folly of Unilateral Disarmament by Tim Nunan also spells out perfectly why Dells Policy only serves the interests of Dell, & their career attorneys. At least that's the gamble they take. I will never work for them as long as they have this policy, or buy, or recommend their equipment to anyone. As I said before, if they at least had some trustworthy armed security personnel on site, I might consider it, but apparently they think protection is only for "executives". The rest of us are expendable.. As another commenter said; If any Dell employee is ever seriously injured by a person with any kind of weapon on Dell property, (including a pen or a pair of scissors) they should sue Dell to oblivion for disarming them, & denying them the right to self protection.

Tim's article..
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2869&start=0
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Postby RobertNashville » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:42 pm

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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:42 am

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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby price g » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:20 am

I commend your dedication. A lesser man would have surrendered.
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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby RobertNashville » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:34 pm

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Re: Dell kicks me out of job interview for possessing a firearm.

Postby Dan Lee » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:29 pm

Robert,
I'm not insinuating anything.. I think people can decide for themselves whether or not your or anyone else's submission to your company's authorities is helping our cause, & to protect our second amendment rights. It is my opinion that this submission is part of the problem. Don't take it so personal. It's a free country, &if you want to submit to them, you can do as you wish. Just know that it gives them more power when you or anyone else does.. You said yourself that it's a monetary consideration, which equates to selling your rights at a price. It's your constitutional right to choose that & say it's right, & it's mine to say I think it's weak. By the way, I just wonder what you would do if they told you next that you can't read a bible in the building at lunch time, because it may offend someone, like an atheist or a muslim? Before you tell me that this will never happen, you might want to read the article below. The question is, where are you going to draw the line Sir? I too do not care if anyone on a message board likes me or not, which is why I will speak the truth no matter what it costs me. Things of this life are just vapor, & like a ship passing in the night. It comes, & it goes, with little impact on the world around it. But truth is eternal, & integrity is one of the few things that can't be stolen from us. It is for that reason that I won't play the game, & why you shouldn't either.

I also note that you joined the forum AFTER I posted this article, & seem afraid to say what company you work for Robert. Why is that? Doesn't that indicate that you fear repercussions just for being on this message board if they knew? Doesn't that mean they have you and others afraid? Afraid even to exercise your 1st amendment right without using a pseudo-name? Just food for thought..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580359,00.html

John Harris also makes a great post here, which showcases how far we've fallen because of apathy..
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1765
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Postby RobertNashville » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:06 pm

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